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-- (Marco not in the call)

05/18/2011    11:14:55 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun:
05/18/2011    11:14:57 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	good progress
05/18/2011    11:15:11 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	need to lower the expectations on how much to write! NEed to be ready by Friday
05/18/2011    11:15:17 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	struggling most with getting message out
05/18/2011    11:15:26 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	techie reqs from user reqs are very generic
05/18/2011    11:15:35 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	relevant to RO management rather than provenance
05/18/2011    11:15:53 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	should we include all of these in the documents, how to coordinate this with the work package
05/18/2011    11:15:58 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	compared with 2.1 and 3.1
05/18/2011    11:16:09 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	at a coordination/consolodation phase
05/18/2011    11:16:38 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: This is what I want to focus on, look at all documents, iron them out.. like a meta-QA
05/18/2011    11:16:49 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Carole asked yesterday if there's any process to make sure if the documents are coherent
05/18/2011    11:16:55 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	that would be Oscar's meta-QA
05/18/2011    11:17:16 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: Curious on how other WP are doing the tech reqs. Had a look at 2.1 this morning
05/18/2011    11:17:34 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	seems like we're really trying to get Tech reqs out at RO point of view, and fleshing out dimensions
05/18/2011    11:17:52 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: in 3.1 we've been reusing the tables that 4.1 made
05/18/2011    11:18:25 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Sean: Yes we're trying to get the tech reqs from an RO point of view
05/18/2011    11:18:35 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	just followed more or less the Graham Methodology (TM)
05/18/2011    11:18:46 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	trying to identify what the various users try to do with ROs and in the RO lifecycle
05/18/2011    11:18:51 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	focusing on lifecycles and changes
05/18/2011    11:19:25 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: Sounds sensible, helps with your conclusion
05/18/2011    11:19:37 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: We've been doing it for the whole of WF4ever, which is a bit too wide
05/18/2011    11:19:43 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Stian: But someone needs to do that as well! :)

05/18/2011    11:11:08 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Rafa: More or less at schedule
05/18/2011    11:11:14 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Done interactions
05/18/2011    11:11:22 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	methodology as proposed for structured reqs
05/18/2011    11:11:24 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	dimensions
05/18/2011    11:11:44 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Raul has send evolution and (?) requirements
05/18/2011    11:11:57 AM    from Raul to Everyone:
	? = collaboration
05/18/2011    11:12:07 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	now creating the (?) that gives requirements using Graham's methodology
05/18/2011    11:12:15 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	in the tables we call Raul has written in the wiki
05/18/2011    11:12:36 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	you have written almost the same usecases that are needed for 3.1
05/18/2011    11:12:40 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	missing (?) requirement
05/18/2011    11:12:48 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	have to finish State of the Art
05/18/2011    11:12:55 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	more or less on time
05/18/2011    11:13:12 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: When is version to be submitted for QA?
05/18/2011    11:13:18 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Rafa: Hope next.. ..
05/18/2011    11:13:28 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: In PM..(?) call
05/18/2011    11:13:44 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	final deadline will be in less than 2 weeks time, ideal if we can get a fnal (if not polished) version THIS FRIDAY
05/18/2011    11:13:51 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	to QA
05/18/2011    11:14:03 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Rafa: Main part we're missing is State of the Art
05/18/2011    11:14:23 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: will send first version on Friday with State of the Art missing
05/18/2011    11:14:32 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	with another section on Wednesday next week
05/18/2011    11:14:39 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: Is that OK with everyone?
05/18/2011    11:14:42 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	(Yes)

05/18/2011    11:20:04 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Sean: We've focused on ROs and lifecycles, but Marco made a point last week that Simple Is Good
05/18/2011    11:20:22 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	(Marco): focus on things we can do now, rather than a grand picture which will be unobtainable
05/18/2011    11:20:42 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Sean: finally we'll have another round and send extended reqs to reviewer, "Here's how it's changed"
05/18/2011    11:20:47 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: Agree on that
05/18/2011    11:20:58 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar also agrees

05/18/2011    11:27:49 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: right after finishing deliverable, extract good executive summaries and make public on website
05/18/2011    11:27:56 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	so they know if they should read the document
05/18/2011    11:28:03 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	on the other side, extract only relevant things
05/18/2011    11:28:09 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	'What is a RO', 'What are main requirements' etc
05/18/2011    11:28:30 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	That's an effort we want to do as well, what pieces of text are most useful for website, dissemination, etc
05/18/2011    11:28:41 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: possibly writing papers after this
05/18/2011    11:28:47 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: Where could this be useful?
05/18/2011    11:28:50 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	a good venue
05/18/2011    11:29:17 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: We've done a lot of work.. go for an eScience conference, or is the requirements too loose for that? All Hands meetings, etc?
05/18/2011    11:29:33 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: Might get something for the eScience conference
05/18/2011    11:29:35 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	on provenance
05/18/2011    11:29:45 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	we need to do something specification, provenance is important
05/18/2011    11:29:50 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	to make it more like a research paper
05/18/2011    11:29:57 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	make a paper out of d4.1
05/18/2011    11:30:03 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	where requirements are the results
05/18/2011    11:30:13 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	go to some kind of (?() college journal
05/18/2011    11:30:15 AM    from Graham Klyne to Everyone:
	Sorry I'm late - buried in provenence emails.  Setting up sound now.
05/18/2011    11:30:51 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: Not too much experience if just a set of requirements would be enough.. or too overlapping with previous papers
05/18/2011    11:31:06 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	something to analyze, nice if we can, if not nothing to worry about
05/18/2011    11:31:17 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	we can still put a clear picture on web site on what we're going to do
05/18/2011    11:31:21 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	our big papers will come later
05/18/2011    11:31:38 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Sean: Certainly opportunities with following on some of the RO papers which have been quite sketchy
05/18/2011    11:31:51 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	at this point a 1-page executive summary on the website is very important
05/18/2011    11:32:03 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: OK, so we'll do something right after deliverable submission

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