Agenda

Participants: Sean, Oscar, Rafa, Jun, RaúlP, Stian, Graham

Coordinator: Sean

Call

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2011-05-18 10:00 BST/11:00 CEST

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Status of deliverables

Oscar will perform a meta-review of deliverables, so as to ensure consistency, extract relevant exec summaries for the website, and identify what could go into the website as major messages (deliverables are formal for EC, but the important bit is the message for 3rd parties).

Good progress in all of them, and everybody expects to have them ready for Friday midnight's deadline, with some more polishing to be done.

D4.1

05/18/2011    11:14:55 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun:
05/18/2011    11:14:57 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	good progress
05/18/2011    11:15:11 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	need to lower the expectations on how much to write! NEed to be ready by Friday
05/18/2011    11:15:17 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	struggling most with getting message out
05/18/2011    11:15:26 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	techie reqs from user reqs are very generic
05/18/2011    11:15:35 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	relevant to RO management rather than provenance
05/18/2011    11:15:53 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	should we include all of these in the documents, how to coordinate this with the work package
05/18/2011    11:15:58 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	compared with 2.1 and 3.1
05/18/2011    11:16:09 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	at a coordination/consolodation phase
05/18/2011    11:16:38 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: This is what I want to focus on, look at all documents, iron them out.. like a meta-QA
05/18/2011    11:16:49 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Carole asked yesterday if there's any process to make sure if the documents are coherent
05/18/2011    11:16:55 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	that would be Oscar's meta-QA
05/18/2011    11:17:16 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: Curious on how other WP are doing the tech reqs. Had a look at 2.1 this morning
05/18/2011    11:17:34 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	seems like we're really trying to get Tech reqs out at RO point of view, and fleshing out dimensions
05/18/2011    11:17:52 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: in 3.1 we've been reusing the tables that 4.1 made
05/18/2011    11:18:25 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Sean: Yes we're trying to get the tech reqs from an RO point of view
05/18/2011    11:18:35 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	just followed more or less the Graham Methodology (TM)
05/18/2011    11:18:46 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	trying to identify what the various users try to do with ROs and in the RO lifecycle
05/18/2011    11:18:51 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	focusing on lifecycles and changes
05/18/2011    11:19:25 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: Sounds sensible, helps with your conclusion
05/18/2011    11:19:37 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: We've been doing it for the whole of WF4ever, which is a bit too wide
05/18/2011    11:19:43 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Stian: But someone needs to do that as well! :)


D3.1

05/18/2011    11:11:08 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Rafa: More or less at schedule
05/18/2011    11:11:14 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Done interactions
05/18/2011    11:11:22 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	methodology as proposed for structured reqs
05/18/2011    11:11:24 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	dimensions
05/18/2011    11:11:44 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Raul has send evolution and (?) requirements
05/18/2011    11:11:57 AM    from Raul to Everyone:
	? = collaboration
05/18/2011    11:12:07 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	now creating the (?) that gives requirements using Graham's methodology
05/18/2011    11:12:15 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	in the tables we call Raul has written in the wiki
05/18/2011    11:12:36 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	you have written almost the same usecases that are needed for 3.1
05/18/2011    11:12:40 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	missing (?) requirement
05/18/2011    11:12:48 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	have to finish State of the Art
05/18/2011    11:12:55 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	more or less on time
05/18/2011    11:13:12 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: When is version to be submitted for QA?
05/18/2011    11:13:18 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Rafa: Hope next.. ..
05/18/2011    11:13:28 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: In PM..(?) call
05/18/2011    11:13:44 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	final deadline will be in less than 2 weeks time, ideal if we can get a fnal (if not polished) version THIS FRIDAY
05/18/2011    11:13:51 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	to QA
05/18/2011    11:14:03 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Rafa: Main part we're missing is State of the Art
05/18/2011    11:14:23 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: will send first version on Friday with State of the Art missing
05/18/2011    11:14:32 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	with another section on Wednesday next week
05/18/2011    11:14:39 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: Is that OK with everyone?
05/18/2011    11:14:42 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	(Yes)


D2.1

05/18/2011    11:20:04 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Sean: We've focused on ROs and lifecycles, but Marco made a point last week that Simple Is Good
05/18/2011    11:20:22 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	(Marco): focus on things we can do now, rather than a grand picture which will be unobtainable
05/18/2011    11:20:42 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Sean: finally we'll have another round and send extended reqs to reviewer, "Here's how it's changed"
05/18/2011    11:20:47 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: Agree on that
05/18/2011    11:20:58 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar also agrees

Dissemination

05/18/2011    11:27:49 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: right after finishing deliverable, extract good executive summaries and make public on website
05/18/2011    11:27:56 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	so they know if they should read the document
05/18/2011    11:28:03 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	on the other side, extract only relevant things
05/18/2011    11:28:09 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	'What is a RO', 'What are main requirements' etc
05/18/2011    11:28:30 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	That's an effort we want to do as well, what pieces of text are most useful for website, dissemination, etc
05/18/2011    11:28:41 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: possibly writing papers after this
05/18/2011    11:28:47 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: Where could this be useful?
05/18/2011    11:28:50 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	a good venue
05/18/2011    11:29:17 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: We've done a lot of work.. go for an eScience conference, or is the requirements too loose for that? All Hands meetings, etc?
05/18/2011    11:29:33 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Jun: Might get something for the eScience conference
05/18/2011    11:29:35 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	on provenance
05/18/2011    11:29:45 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	we need to do something specification, provenance is important
05/18/2011    11:29:50 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	to make it more like a research paper
05/18/2011    11:29:57 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	make a paper out of d4.1
05/18/2011    11:30:03 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	where requirements are the results
05/18/2011    11:30:13 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	go to some kind of (?() college journal
05/18/2011    11:30:15 AM    from Graham Klyne to Everyone:
	Sorry I'm late - buried in provenence emails.  Setting up sound now.
05/18/2011    11:30:51 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: Not too much experience if just a set of requirements would be enough.. or too overlapping with previous papers
05/18/2011    11:31:06 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	something to analyze, nice if we can, if not nothing to worry about
05/18/2011    11:31:17 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	we can still put a clear picture on web site on what we're going to do
05/18/2011    11:31:21 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	our big papers will come later
05/18/2011    11:31:38 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Sean: Certainly opportunities with following on some of the RO papers which have been quite sketchy
05/18/2011    11:31:51 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	at this point a 1-page executive summary on the website is very important
05/18/2011    11:32:03 AM    from Stian Soiland-Reyes to Everyone:
	Oscar: OK, so we'll do something right after deliverable submission

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Next call: 2011-05-25 10:00 BST/11:00 CEST (back to normal schedule)

Coordinator: Sean