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hello
from PIque to Everyone:
hi jits
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1. Guillermo
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2. Jits
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3. Raul
from Graham Klyne to Everyone:
I have a proposal for (2), cf http://www.wf4ever-project.org/wiki/display/docs/Simple+RO+management+interface+proposal
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1. Next steps: go through scenarios with users
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Guillermo; Need I&A scenarios from end user perspective
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Jits reporting on User meet, which went thru Archf2f
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next steps, suggestion of things users can work with and explore.
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http://www.wf4ever-project.org/wiki/display/docs/Simple+RO+management+interface+proposal
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http://www.wf4ever-project.org/wiki/download/attachments/1737266/IMG_1345.JPG
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Jits; also talked about some real UI work
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Jits:  also talked about mock-ups and UI work.  E.g. forms for annotation - Marco is keen.  Thinking about basic UI design work.  A parallel activity here.
from PIque (privately):
raul, i think you're a bit noisy :)
from PIque (privately):
gracias :)
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Graham: Marco wants to explore range of metadata that can be atatched to an RO
to PIque  (privately):
nada gracias :-)
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Jits: simple javascript interfaces, dynamic, saves manifest
from PIque to Everyone:
+1 for GUIs
from Raul to Everyone:
Beside from Graham link i was referring to stian link
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http://www.wf4ever-project.org/wiki/display/docs/RO+command+line+tool
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Jits: also from user meet, the duff between where astro is and where bio is - ie astro still need tooling to build workflows
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s/duff/diff/
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It seems Stian and Piotr were ahead of me :)
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Pique: impressiosn if the two different communities
from Graham Klyne to Everyone:
If the command line tools work out OK, they might serve as an API for the UI work?
from Raul to Everyone:
@Graham, that was my question (if you implemented sth), because i thought you saw already that page...
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@Graham I believe so
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@Graham: yes, but your version connects to the ROBox if I understand it correctly, which would be helpful
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@pique: agreed it's a way to proceed, help to clarify requirements.  Not final solution.
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@Graham - indeed that could be a client to the underlying services/APIs
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Pique: would like a tool to show other colleagues, else his requriements not the community's
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@jits: I was thinking the command line itself as a kiund of API.  Like GUI SCM tools sometimes use the c/l app.
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Pique:  tool mockups also a useful way to address integrity and authenticity requirements?
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Graham: cmd line experiments doesn't preclude GUI later
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I think we should be clear that early command line tools do not p[reclude proper user-friendly GUI tools.
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Jits: ROs will have many interfaces
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Jits: ROs will span many interface styles.    +1
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Apologies, I have to go now… I'm leaving the webex session running on my laptop!
from Jits to Everyone:
ok thanks Dave
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thanks
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Pique:  must not exclude use of existing software tools ...
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... SAMP is lightweight, easy to implement
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Did we really agree to wait for a stable RO model?
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do you remember the 1st september deadline
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Raul: discussion of metadata open-ended ness to be visible on the wiki?  +1
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Piotr: working on c/l interface helps to identify issues.
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http://www.wf4ever-project.org/wiki/display/docs/Authentication+and+Authorization
from Raul to Everyone:
http://www.wf4ever-project.org/wiki/display/docs/myExperiment+-+RO+repository+integration
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Raul: currently working on myExperiment to dlibra integration (cf. link above).
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(I'm wondering if a parallel track of implementing simple command line tools for early requirements elicitation would be useful or wasted effort)
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Raul:  (did I hear correctly?) not sure what immediate user benefit in the myexoerimet integration work/
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Raul:  myExperiment integration is proceeding in parallel with development of command line tools.
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Piotr: not decide what is role of myExperiment on overall Wf4Ever architecture
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(I thought there was a clear desire to use myExp with wf4Ever repo back-end)
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Raul: but this exposes some technical issues ... see above links.